Wednesday, June 29, 2016
Solving a Conundrum: Triangulation: What is it and How in Finding Our Ancestors
Nadene Goldfoot
I've been trying to learn to do triangulation. Finding people who match segments of mine on Family Tree DNA out of Houston, Texas, has shown that we are anywhere from 3rd to 5th cousins or even more distant than that. In trying to find who belongs in your special family group that has one common ancestor, one uses triangulation.
11/13/16/Good news in using trianguation: Sandy just triangulated the Wertheimers, and you, your brother and Sandra Oster are right in those triangulations with all the known Wertheimers. Mazal tov! Andi
I'm glad I have these 2 ladies, heads of Halpern and Branches, who are working with triangulation and finding out about the people we are matching and how we are related to each other. It's not easy.
It's that 3rd step, matching the 2 matches, that I didn't realize was so important. So here I go, exploring what happens when I do.
Testing a friend and 5th cousin, Victor, with my 1st cousin once removed, Aaron, and myself on chromosome 9,
Aaron and I both matched our 5th cousin with the same segments! Victor must be a relative! My brother and my 1st cousin, Sandra, also match him. Now what?
Victor is C.
start end centimorgans
9. (A-C) Nadene Goldfoot 113,959,528 to 118,535,396 7.5cMs
9. (B-C) Aaron B. 113,959,528 to 118,535,396 7.5cMs
9. (D-C)David G. 113,959,528 to 118,535,396 7.5cMs
(D-A)
9. (E-C ; Sandra O. 114,233,584 to 118,306,289 7.0cMs
A matches B (Nadene matches Aaron)
Comparing Nadene to Aaron on chromosome #9. The end did not match the beginning of this example. In other words, 113 to 118 does not fit in between the parameters of 18 to 78. The segments are too long to be triangulating. It is not showing triangulation, but the 2nd example below, does.
Comparing Sandra to David (E-D)
Sandra's match with Victor would fit into this area.
D matches A (David matches Nadene)
(D-C) David matches Aaron)
Sandra matches Nadene
Comparing David to Sandra on chromosome #9. The 113...to 118 and 114..to 118...fits right inside the parameters of 81...to 123... Hmmm, Aaron is the next generation from David and Sandra. We are also told that a section of DNA that is 10cMs and more is better to use than something less. 5 is used, but can be a problem. Below we have 11 plus except for Fred's example that is better than 5.0, which also is used.
9. David G 135,622,483 to 138,063,601 11.9cMs
9. Nadene Goldfoot 135,622,483 to 137,956,617 11.4cMs
9. Stephen H 135,794,032 to 138,034,221 11.3cMs
9. Aaron B 135,622,483 to 138,034,221 11.7cMs
9. Fred W 129,673,254 to 132,368,572 5.8cMs
This is comparing Steve, Nadene's son to Aaron B. Nadene and Steve both show an example of triangulation. Steve is Nadene's son. Aaron is Nadene's 1st cousin once removed.
This is comparing Nadene Goldfoot to Aaron B, the 3rd step in triangulation.
This is Fred W to Aaron. No match here, not even on chromosome #9. We do not know this relationship, probably 5th cousin.
This is Fred compared to David. Again, no match on #9.
This is Fred to Nadene. No #9 match here either, only one on #7. We can't use Fred with our testees as an example.
Fred's match of # 9 s segment : 129,673,254 to 132,368,572 of 5.8cMs was not a part of our family group.
My daughter didn't match Victor at all. Siblings don't carry the very same DNA. It varies.
After people have been standing on their heads trying to explain to me what triangulation is, I believe I get it now. I used the 3rd reference listed below to finally understand-I hope. It's all done through GedMatch.com using one to one comparison.
Now, what you do with it from here is another thing. If 2 people matching the 3rd triangulates, they might be able to find a common ancestor somewhere, I presume. They belong to a family group.
As an aside:
Victor matches Nadene on FTDNA as 5th cousin sharing 67.53cMs on 5 segments of 5cMs or more.
Victor matches David on FTDNA as 5th cousin sharing 55.59cMs on 5 segments of 5cMs or more.
Victor doesn't have Steve or Aaron as matches on FTDNA.
Victor matches Sandra as 5th cousin with 80.14cMs on 4 segments including X (23rd).
Victor matches Steve on GedMatch on 2 segments of 7.6cMs and 11.3cMs with a total of 18.9cMs.
Victor matches Aaron on GedMatch on 2 segments of 8.5cMs and 11.5cMs with a total of 20.0cMs.
They are the next generation of Nadene, David and Sandra.
Aaron is 4.7 generations from Victor or MRCA (Most Common Recent Ancestor).
Steve is 4.8 generations from Victor or MRCA.(Most Common Recent Ancestor).
From Andi: DNA breaks brick walls.
Edit: June 30,2016
Reference: http://isogg.org/wiki/Ch
In or around 1160, a synod was held in Troyes. This synod was led by Rabbeinu Tam, his brother, the Rashbam, both grandchildren of Rashi, and Eliezer ben Nathan (the Ra'avan). Over 250 rabbis from communities all over France attended as well. A number of communal decrees were enacted at the synod covering both Jewish-Gentile relations as well as matters relating internally to the Jewish community.
romosome_mapping
http://isogg.org/wiki/Triangulation
http://blog.kittycooper.com/2015/02/triangulation-proving-a-common-ancestor/ *****
http://www.genealogyjunkie.net/your-dna-results--what-next.html
https://www.geni.com/projects/Medieval-Rhineland-Jewry-Speyer-Worms-Mainz/16986
file:///C:/Users/Home.DELL.000/Downloads/Alperovich%20RASHI%20FAMILY%20TREE,%20Alan%20Rich%20-%20the%20best%20with%20descendencies%20in%20red%20v%201.pdf
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/111831/jewish/Rabbi-Shlomo-Yitzchaki-Rashi.htm
I've been trying to learn to do triangulation. Finding people who match segments of mine on Family Tree DNA out of Houston, Texas, has shown that we are anywhere from 3rd to 5th cousins or even more distant than that. In trying to find who belongs in your special family group that has one common ancestor, one uses triangulation.
11/13/16/Good news in using trianguation: Sandy just triangulated the Wertheimers, and you, your brother and Sandra Oster are right in those triangulations with all the known Wertheimers. Mazal tov! Andi
I'm glad I have these 2 ladies, heads of Halpern and Branches, who are working with triangulation and finding out about the people we are matching and how we are related to each other. It's not easy.
It's that 3rd step, matching the 2 matches, that I didn't realize was so important. So here I go, exploring what happens when I do.
Testing a friend and 5th cousin, Victor, with my 1st cousin once removed, Aaron, and myself on chromosome 9,
Aaron and I both matched our 5th cousin with the same segments! Victor must be a relative! My brother and my 1st cousin, Sandra, also match him. Now what?
Victor is C.
start end centimorgans
9. (A-C) Nadene Goldfoot 113,959,528 to 118,535,396 7.5cMs
9. (B-C) Aaron B. 113,959,528 to 118,535,396 7.5cMs
9. (D-C)David G. 113,959,528 to 118,535,396 7.5cMs
(D-A)
9. (E-C ; Sandra O. 114,233,584 to 118,306,289 7.0cMs
A matches B (Nadene matches Aaron)
| 9 | 18,647,019 | 78,363,834 | 34.7 | 7,537 |
Comparing Sandra to David (E-D)
| 9 | 81,797,685 | 123,998,393 | 52.8 | 11,326 |
D matches A (David matches Nadene)
| 9 | 1,678,398 | 138,633,901 | 160.6 | 29,789 |
| 9 | 81,797,685 | 123,998,393 | 52.8 | 11,326 |
| 9 | 81,797,685 | 123,998,393 | 52.8 | 11,077 |
Comparing David to Sandra on chromosome #9. The 113...to 118 and 114..to 118...fits right inside the parameters of 81...to 123... Hmmm, Aaron is the next generation from David and Sandra. We are also told that a section of DNA that is 10cMs and more is better to use than something less. 5 is used, but can be a problem. Below we have 11 plus except for Fred's example that is better than 5.0, which also is used.
9. David G 135,622,483 to 138,063,601 11.9cMs
9. Nadene Goldfoot 135,622,483 to 137,956,617 11.4cMs
9. Stephen H 135,794,032 to 138,034,221 11.3cMs
9. Aaron B 135,622,483 to 138,034,221 11.7cMs
9. Fred W 129,673,254 to 132,368,572 5.8cMs
| 9 | 132,539,954 | 138,386,226 | 18.7 | 1,891 |
| 9 | 132,095,770 | 138,633,901 | 20.4 | 2,029 |
| hr | Start Location | End Location | Centimorgans (cM) | SNPs |
| 1 | 181,829,405 | 196,177,269 | 9.5 | 2,586 |
| 12 | 25,076,163 | 40,294,406 | 11.1 | 3,476 |
| Chr | Start Location | End Location | Centimorgans (cM) | SNPs |
| 5 | 3,432,438 | 6,140,464 | 8.5 | 925 |
This is Fred compared to David. Again, no match on #9.
| Chr | Start Location | End Location | Centimorgans (cM) | SNPs |
| 7 | 63,498,025 | 75,101,728 | 9.0 | 1,701 |
Fred's match of # 9 s segment : 129,673,254 to 132,368,572 of 5.8cMs was not a part of our family group.
My daughter didn't match Victor at all. Siblings don't carry the very same DNA. It varies.
After people have been standing on their heads trying to explain to me what triangulation is, I believe I get it now. I used the 3rd reference listed below to finally understand-I hope. It's all done through GedMatch.com using one to one comparison.
Now, what you do with it from here is another thing. If 2 people matching the 3rd triangulates, they might be able to find a common ancestor somewhere, I presume. They belong to a family group.
As an aside:
Victor matches Nadene on FTDNA as 5th cousin sharing 67.53cMs on 5 segments of 5cMs or more.
Victor matches David on FTDNA as 5th cousin sharing 55.59cMs on 5 segments of 5cMs or more.
Victor doesn't have Steve or Aaron as matches on FTDNA.
Victor matches Sandra as 5th cousin with 80.14cMs on 4 segments including X (23rd).
Victor matches Steve on GedMatch on 2 segments of 7.6cMs and 11.3cMs with a total of 18.9cMs.
Victor matches Aaron on GedMatch on 2 segments of 8.5cMs and 11.5cMs with a total of 20.0cMs.
They are the next generation of Nadene, David and Sandra.
Aaron is 4.7 generations from Victor or MRCA (Most Common Recent Ancestor).
Steve is 4.8 generations from Victor or MRCA.(Most Common Recent Ancestor).
From Andi: DNA breaks brick walls.
How I suspected you were Wertheimers: You are high on my FamilyFinder list, and we corresponded. I think that I wrote you that I didn't know how WE were related, but I could see if you belonged to a Halpern branch. I searched your FF list for Halper, Wertheim, and Rubenstein (all Halpern branches), and I saw that you had a lot of people on your FF list that wrote that Wertheim was one of their ancestral surnames. So I put you, your brother and son on our Wertheim list, and wrote "probable." Just now Sandy triangulated the Wertheims. We have a group that knows that it descends from Rabbi Samson Wertheimer and Sandy triangulated you and your brother with that group. AND YOU DID TRIANGULATE WITH THAT GROUP ON SEGMENTS ON WHICH A LOT OF THEM TRIANGULATED. It's only such segments that are likely inherited from Wertheims that you and your brother can triangulate on, which indicates that you and your brother ALSO descend from that Rabbi Samson. You can Google him; he's well known. Rabbi Samson descends from Rabbi Isaac of Worms (born late 1500's), one of whose sons carried on the Halpern surname, indicating that Rabbi Isaac was a Halpern. In Worms, earlier in the 1500's there was a women named Eva Grunhut , from the Heilprinn family. I hypothesize that YOUR ancestor Rabbi Isaac descends from Eva. HIS surname wasn't Heilpronn, but he apparently knew that he was part of the Heilpronn/Halpern family, so one of his sons adopted that surname. I THINK that the wife of Rabbi Isaac was a Wertheim, so one of his sons took that name.
Some Jewish history:
After the Chmelnitsky Uprising, the Jews of Poland-Ukraine became impoverished. Before it, they were quite well off. As a result of this impoverishment, they began to migrate. Some went back to Germany whence they had originated. Others moved to Belarus and Lithuania. From 1650-~1750, there were great Jewish migrations. That's how our ancestors got to Lithuania. In 1600 there weren't many towns in Lithuania with Jews in them, but by 1800, there were a lot.
On Eleazar of Worms, Germany:
I was googling Rabbi Isaac of Worms and this came up. I do have a few Italian genes and am supposed to be a descendant of this Kalonymus family of Mainz, first found in Italy. I've read this before. It's a tragic story of what happened to Eliazar. It's another Rabbi we should all be related to.
Eleazar was most likely born in Mainz. He was a descendant of the great Kalonymus family of Mainz, and a disciple of Judah ben Samuel of Regensburg (Judah he-Hasid), who initiated him into the study of the esoterica, at that time little known in Germany. According to Zunz, Eleazar was hazzan at Erfurt before he became rabbi at Worms. He was a signatory to theTakkanot Shum.
Eleazar underwent great sufferings. On the night of 22 Kislev, 1196, he was engaged on his commentary on Genesis (he relates that he had reached theparshah Vayeshev), when two men (maybe Crusaders) entered his house and killed his wife Dulce, his two daughters Belette and Hannah, and wounded his son Jacob. The intruders were probably local men, since no crusade was ongoing at the time. His wife had conducted a business in parchment scrolls in order to support the family and enable him to devote all his time to study.[1] Many of the piyyutim he authored protest at Israel's suffering and hope for redemption and revenge against her tormentors. He also recorded the deaths of his family in a moving and poetic eulogy.
Eleazar developed a vigorous activity in many directions. On the one hand, he was a Talmudist of vast erudition, a liturgist gifted with a clear and easy style, and anastronomer, and was well versed in the sciences open to the Jews of Germany at that time. At the same time, he was an adventurous mystic who experienced visions, seeing legions of angels and demons. He exerted himself to spread mystical systems which went far beyond the conceptions of the classical authors of Jewish esoterica. In his mystical works he developed and gave a new impulse to the mysticism associated with the letters of the alphabet. By the gematria and notarikon systems of interpretation found in the Talmud, Eleazar invented new combinations by which miracles could be performed. The haggadic anthropomorphism which he had combated in his earlier works (Ha-Roḳeaḥ, Sha'are ha-Sod weha-Yiḥud) occupied later the foremost place in his mystical writings. Eleazar's great merit therefore lies not only in his new mystical system, but also in his ethical works. In these he shows greatness of soul and a piety bordering upon asceticism. Though so severely tried by fate, he inculcates cheerfulness, patience, and love for humanity. He died at Worms in 1238. [1]
Best, Andi
We are related to him. Via marriage to the K's by Rabbi Elchanan Ha-kadosh.
Also, the wife of Eleazer was a 5th or 6th generation descendant of the founder of the Halpern family whose name is: Rabbi Judah ben Meir Ha-Cohen Sir Leontin (The First). Her name was Dolche-Naomi and she was murdered in front of Eleazar's eyes together with their daughter, Belette.
In the Autosomal Report, read what I wrote about Eleazar. Read about him on pages 29 and 32-33.
Best, Andi
You can try googling Rabbi Itshak of Worms…
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Edit: June 30,2016
Reference: http://isogg.org/wiki/Ch
In or around 1160, a synod was held in Troyes. This synod was led by Rabbeinu Tam, his brother, the Rashbam, both grandchildren of Rashi, and Eliezer ben Nathan (the Ra'avan). Over 250 rabbis from communities all over France attended as well. A number of communal decrees were enacted at the synod covering both Jewish-Gentile relations as well as matters relating internally to the Jewish community.
Scholars and Rabbis 1200CE -
- Kalonymus ben Moses,
- Jekuthiel ben Moses,
- Moses ben Jekuthiel,
- Judah ben Kalonymus,
- David ben Meshullam.
- Abraham ben Meïr ha-Kohen,
- Kalonymus ben Isaac,
- Jacob ben Isaac ha-Levi,
- Eleazar ha-Ḥazzan,
- Eliakim ha-Levi,
- Isaac ben Asher ha-Levi,
- Samuel of Speyer,
- Abraham ben Solomon,
- Isaac of Bohemia,
- Eliezer ben Isaac,
- Meïr ben Kalonymus,
- David of Speyer,
- Judah ben Kalonymus ha-Baur,
- Shemariah ben Mordecai,
- Eliezer ben Joel ha-Levi,
- Simha ben Samuel,
- Abraham ben Samuel
- Eleazar ben Jacob,
- Jacob ben Asher of Speyer,
- Jedidiah ben Israel,
- Solomon of Speyer.
- Moses Süsslin, later "Judenmeister" in Frankfurt
- Samuel Isaac ha-Ḳadosh
- Shemariah Salman ha-Levi
- Yitzchak Ben Shlomo of Worms
- Baruch ben Isaac
- Rabbi Samson Wertheimer
- Rabbi David Oppenheim
- Avraham Shmuel Bacharach of Worms
- Yair Haym Bacharach of Worms
- Jakob Halevi Mollin (The Mahari"l) of Mainz and Worms
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Adler_(rabbi)
Rabbi Yitzchak of Worms was RASHI's father. Chabad has a story about both of them.
Rashi was born in the town of Troyes in France; some people believe he was born in Worms. His father Yitzchak was a great scholar, but very poor. He made a meager living from the sale of wine.
A wonderful story is told about the birth of Rashi: His father, Rabbi Yitzchak once found a rare diamond. "Now, there would be no more poverty," he thought and went to sell the precious stone to the local jeweler. The jeweler hadn't enough money to pay for such a large diamond, and suggested to the bishop to buy it. Now the bishop had been looking for such a diamond for he wanted to put it on his cross. He offered a huge amount of money for it. When Rabbi Yitzchak heard for what purpose the bishop wanted the stone, he refused to sell it. He knew, however, that if he did not sell the stone, it would be taken from him forcibly, and so he threw it into the sea. A Heavenly Voice then resounded: "For this great sacrifice you will be blessed with a son that will outshine all the precious stones in the world, and the light of his Torah will shine for ever." The following year a son was born to him, and he called him Solomon, saying, may G‑d grant him wisdom like unto King Solomon.
Rashi was still a youngster when he left his home town and went to Worms and other towns that were known for their great Torah scholars. With great zeal Rashi learnt Torah and Talmud, and after some eight years of ardent study, he returned to his home town again. He was then about 25 years of age, but he continued to study on his own. Soon he became known as a very great scholar, and thousands of students and scholars flocked to him, to learn from him. Rashi, was elected Rabbi of his town Troyes, but he did not accept any wages, and made his living from the sale of wine, like his father used to do.
romosome_mapping
http://isogg.org/wiki/Triangulation
http://blog.kittycooper.com/2015/02/triangulation-proving-a-common-ancestor/ *****
http://www.genealogyjunkie.net/your-dna-results--what-next.html
https://www.geni.com/projects/Medieval-Rhineland-Jewry-Speyer-Worms-Mainz/16986
file:///C:/Users/Home.DELL.000/Downloads/Alperovich%20RASHI%20FAMILY%20TREE,%20Alan%20Rich%20-%20the%20best%20with%20descendencies%20in%20red%20v%201.pdf
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/111831/jewish/Rabbi-Shlomo-Yitzchaki-Rashi.htm
Labels: 3rd step, GedMatch, triangulation
Monday, June 13, 2016
Guggenheim Ancestors and DNA Matches
Nadene Goldfoot
The Guggenheim name is known in the United States. It's a family that had success in the copper industry. they branched out into mining, smelting and refining other metals. I find that the Guggenheims are also on my tree, becoming 4th and 5th cousins to my family. The connection goes back to Eastern Europe.
Almost every member of the family devoted much of his finances to philanthropy and to the establishment of foundations which have distributed an amount in the 10s of millions of dollars. One family investment company, Guggenheim Partners, today manages over $100 billion in assets Another family vehicle, Guggenheim Investment Advisors, oversees about $50 billion in assets.
Meyer Guggenheim b: 1828-d: 1905 was the head of the family and founder of its fortunes in the USA. He eventually drew all his 7 sons into business with him. He was a Swiss citizen of Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry, arrived in America in 1847, which was more like that of German Jews who came to the USA after Sephardic Jewry. Over the next few decades, the family became known for their global successes in mining and smelting (including the American Smelting and Refining Company) and eventually the family possessed one of the largest fortunes in the world. His ancestor had to be from a part of the Pale of Settlement to have met up with mine, or the connection could have been in either Germany or Austria first.
1. Isaac Guggenheim b: 1854-d: 1922 was the director of the Mexican Union Railway. He married married Carrie Sonneborn (1859–1933).
a. Beulah V. Guggenheim (1877–1960)
2. Daniel Guggenheim b: July 9, 1856 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania-d: 1930 established foundations for the promotion of aeronautics and the advancement of social welfare. Daniel became head of the family after his father's death. He married Florence Shloss (1863–1944) Daniel and his father had become successful by manufacturing stove polish and "coffee essence," an inexpensive coffee substitute. "Although the family was Jewish, Daniel Guggenheim attended a Catholic high school in Philadelphia until the age of 17. When Meyer Guggenheim determined that Daniel would never be a scholar, he sent him to Switzerland to study the Swiss lace and embroidery business and serve as a buyer for Meyer's importing business, M. Guggenheim's Sons." During the Civil War, Meyer sold wholesale supplies to the Union Army. He also had a lace and embroidery business. By 1880, he had $800,000 in the bank.
a. Meyer Robert Guggenheim (1885–1959)
4. Solomon Robert Guggenheim b: 1861-1949. He married Irene M. Rothschild (1868–1954), and was distinguished as a patron of the arts with the Guggenheim Museum in New York which was named for him. The amazing thing is that I am on my genealogy tree with Gene Lepere, whose father was the art collector, Joseph Hirshhorn, who established the Hirshhorn Art Museum located in Washington DC.
6. Benjamin Guggenheim b: 1865-d: 1912 married Florette Seligman (1870–1937)He was drowned in the Titanic.
8. Simon Guggenheim b: 1867-d: 1941 must have been the twin of Robert. He married Olga Hirsch (1877–1970). He.served as US Senator from Colorado from 1907 to 1913. In 1925 he set up a foundation to award fellowships for research and creative work.
Resource: The New Standard Jewish encyclopedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guggenheim_family
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/18/business/the-guggenheim-connection-fame-riches-and-a-masquerade.html?_r=0
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Daniel_Guggenheim.aspx
Davis, John H., The Guggenheims, 1848-1988: An American Epic, Shapolsky, 1988.
http://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-Features/His-Story-Her-Story-Peggy-Guggenheim-and-her-Jewish-identity-351687
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| Meyer Guggenheim Head of the Family, Meyer Guggenheim was a hard-working peddler. If many of us find we have a match , ever so slight, to Guggenheim's surname, it could be a false positive. On the other hand, they had a lot of descendants, and we could have a common ancestor with them at any point along the way. Anything 7cMs or less could be discounted as a false positive. match. However, if you do a triangulation and find yourself and 2 others matching on that one point, it's a match. That 3rd person has to match both of us on that spot. If a segment is 10cMs or more, the common ancestor lived within the last 1500 years. If a segment is shorter than 4cMs, it has a 67% chance of being a false positive; thus the need for triangulation.
However, with Ashkenazi DNA, we find we are an endogamous society. We have intermarried over and over through the generations, having a limited source of choices. If in society, someone with 5cMs matches another from a completely different geographic area , then it's questionable and could be a false positive, such as an Eskimo with someone from Spain. However, Ashkenazis have been virtually kept in the Pale of Settlement by Russia, many having to escape in the dark like my ex father-in-law and his family did. So I would say the odds are better at having a true match.
I have found that my paternal aunt married a man who immigrated from Germany in May 1939, one of the last Jews to leave. He and my aunt were related according to GedMatch.com. They matched on chromosome #1 with 7.2cMs; #16 with 7.5cMs and #18 with 9.4cMs; all acceptable amounts to be true. It would all be within a span of the past 1500 years since RASHI was found living in Troyes, France in 1040 while studying in the Rhineland at the same time. |
The Guggenheim name is known in the United States. It's a family that had success in the copper industry. they branched out into mining, smelting and refining other metals. I find that the Guggenheims are also on my tree, becoming 4th and 5th cousins to my family. The connection goes back to Eastern Europe.
Almost every member of the family devoted much of his finances to philanthropy and to the establishment of foundations which have distributed an amount in the 10s of millions of dollars. One family investment company, Guggenheim Partners, today manages over $100 billion in assets Another family vehicle, Guggenheim Investment Advisors, oversees about $50 billion in assets.
Meyer Guggenheim b: 1828-d: 1905 was the head of the family and founder of its fortunes in the USA. He eventually drew all his 7 sons into business with him. He was a Swiss citizen of Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry, arrived in America in 1847, which was more like that of German Jews who came to the USA after Sephardic Jewry. Over the next few decades, the family became known for their global successes in mining and smelting (including the American Smelting and Refining Company) and eventually the family possessed one of the largest fortunes in the world. His ancestor had to be from a part of the Pale of Settlement to have met up with mine, or the connection could have been in either Germany or Austria first.
1. Isaac Guggenheim b: 1854-d: 1922 was the director of the Mexican Union Railway. He married married Carrie Sonneborn (1859–1933).
a. Beulah V. Guggenheim (1877–1960)
- Edith B. Guggenheim (1880–1960)
- Helene Guggenheim (1886–1962) married Edmund L. Haas
2. Daniel Guggenheim b: July 9, 1856 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania-d: 1930 established foundations for the promotion of aeronautics and the advancement of social welfare. Daniel became head of the family after his father's death. He married Florence Shloss (1863–1944) Daniel and his father had become successful by manufacturing stove polish and "coffee essence," an inexpensive coffee substitute. "Although the family was Jewish, Daniel Guggenheim attended a Catholic high school in Philadelphia until the age of 17. When Meyer Guggenheim determined that Daniel would never be a scholar, he sent him to Switzerland to study the Swiss lace and embroidery business and serve as a buyer for Meyer's importing business, M. Guggenheim's Sons." During the Civil War, Meyer sold wholesale supplies to the Union Army. He also had a lace and embroidery business. By 1880, he had $800,000 in the bank.
a. Meyer Robert Guggenheim (1885–1959)
- Harry Frank Guggenheim (1890–1971) . He was US ambassador to Cuba from 1929 to 1933.
- Diane Guggenheim (1924–1991)
- Gladys Eleanor Guggenheim (1895–1980), married Roger Williams Straus (1891–1957)
- Roger Williams Straus, Jr. (1917–2004), a founder and chairman of Farrar, Straus and Giroux
- 3 Murry Guggenheim (1858–1939), married Leonie Bernheim (1865–1959)
- Edmond A. Guggenheim (1888–1972), married Marion Price (1888–?)
- Lucille Guggenheim (1894–1972)
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| Solomon, Meyer Guggenheim's son |
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| Solomon R. Guggenheim Museum,5th Avenue, Manhattan |
- Eleanor Mary Guggenheim (1896–1992), married Arthur Stuart, 7th Earl Castle Stewart
- David Stuart, Viscount Stuart (1921–1942)
- Robert Stuart, Viscount Stuart (1923–1944)
- Arthur Stuart, 8th Earl Castle Stewart (1928–)
- Andrew Stewart, Viscount Stuart (1953–)
- Honorable Simon Stuart (1930–2002)
- Gertrude R. Guggenheim (1898–1966)
- Barbara Josephine Guggenheim (1904–1985), married John Lawson-Johnston of the family producing Bovril
- 5. Jeanette Guggenheim (1863–1889), married Albert Gerstle
6. Benjamin Guggenheim b: 1865-d: 1912 married Florette Seligman (1870–1937)He was drowned in the Titanic.
- Benita Rosalind Guggenheim (1895–1927)
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Entrance to Peggy Guggenheim Collection, Palazzo Venier dei Leoni,Venice, Italy 
- Peggy Guggenheim (1898–1979); Peggy founded the Peggy Guggenheim Collection. She lived mostly in Europe. Peggy was a noted art patron, especially of American abstract expressionism.
- Michael Cedric Sindbad Vail
- Pegeen Vail Guggenheim
- Barbara Hazel Guggenheim (1903–1995), married King-Farlowe
- Barbara King-Farlowe
- Ghislaine Agostini
- Amelia Kaye
- Adam Jacobs
- John King-Farlowe
- 7. Robert G. Guggenheim (1867–1876)
- Barbara King-Farlowe
8. Simon Guggenheim b: 1867-d: 1941 must have been the twin of Robert. He married Olga Hirsch (1877–1970). He.served as US Senator from Colorado from 1907 to 1913. In 1925 he set up a foundation to award fellowships for research and creative work.
- John Simon Guggenheim (1905–1922)
- George Denver Guggenheim (1907–1939)
- Harold A. Loeb (1891–1974)
- Edwin M. Loeb (1894–1966)
- Willard E. Loeb (1896–1958)
- m. Louis F. Rothschild (1869–1957), founder of L.F. Rothschild
- Louis F. Rothschild, Jr. (1900–1902)
- Muriel B. Rothschild (1903–?)
- m. William Donald Scott
- Gwendolyn F. Rothschild (1906–1983)
Resource: The New Standard Jewish encyclopedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guggenheim_family
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/18/business/the-guggenheim-connection-fame-riches-and-a-masquerade.html?_r=0
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Daniel_Guggenheim.aspx
Davis, John H., The Guggenheims, 1848-1988: An American Epic, Shapolsky, 1988.
http://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-Features/His-Story-Her-Story-Peggy-Guggenheim-and-her-Jewish-identity-351687
Labels: dna, genealogy, Guggenheim, Rothschild
